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Depending on how you think about it you could (and most people probably do) personality force themselves by trying change their habits

Isn't that merely just self improvement, though? Anyone can break/change a habit if they try hard enough and stay consistent with it.

Yeah, but a habbit is part of your personality, and so by changing the habit you might be personality forcing depending on how you define personality forcing

the host is the person in the body who takes responsibility for the others above all else, including the body, to the point where it's "theirs" and the others are simply... well the analogy calls for the word "guests"!

12:33 AM

that's what host means, after all

12:33 AM

but it's super duper rare for that to refer to anyone other than who you expect "host" to refer to

12:33 AM

but there ARE systems where a tulpa is the primary fronter if not the only one who have taken over the host's life after they decided not to live it anymore

12:34 AM

I'd call'em "New host", if they didn't prefer to be "tulpa" anyway

12:34 AM

if the ""host"" hasn't even touched the front for 2-3 years and never plans to again.. I think it's fair to call the one who's taken over responsibility the new host

Thanks, I attempted a permaswitch which was ended sometime this year. It lasted from 2009 two thousand eighteen. My experiences inside my wonderland are now missed.

1:15 AM

I won't go back because I can sense I'm going to be needed for a purpose.

needed for a purpose?

Do any of you guys have relatives with tulpas?

not that I am aware of

2:22 AM

if there is a @Nobillis around I think they have family who have tulpas?

I think a scenario where two relatives even find out each other have tulpas would be incredibly rare.

lumi and his brother know of each others' tulpas

Unless one introduced the other to the concept, they not only have to independently discover tulpas and create one, but then also one has to feel comfortable revealing that fact to the other.

i've recently talked to two systems on a german discord whose hosts claim to be siblings

2:28 AM

also, since my previous question seemed to go unanswered... may i ask it again?

No rules against it

i really want to be able to do visual imposition. i'm going to read all the guides i can find, but has anyone here got personal experiences with this and could give me some pointers? or just share some experiences?

Ahh, can't help you out there. Visual imposition is something I do very little of, sorry.

lettin' us down, Reg. Much disappoint

I have no interest in visual imposition, and therefore have no experience. I wish I could be of more help

dagnabbit xD

I can give you some laymans feel good advice if you might say what sort of troubles you are having?

hmm... since i haven't started with it yet and i'm still gathering information i don't really have any problems... yet xD

One person who I've seen talk a lot about it, and seems to have a lot of success with it, uses a method similar to passive forcing. Typically, throughout your day, you want to think of your tulpa as much as possible so you can force them. In the same vein, this person would always try to remember their tulpa, but prioritize visualizing their tulpa in their environment at that time.

2:34 AM

Eventually, just as with passive forcing, it became second nature.

Well, go with the programmers or the craftsman's rule of thumb. The person who is told to make as much as they can as fast as they can will both outproduce, and make higher quality stuff than the person who sits around and tries to make as few high quality products that they can. (edited)

Is that so?

Start now, and the details will work themselves out as you go. Yeah, practice makes perfect

2:36 AM

This is distancing a bit off topic, but I've totally noticed it when programming as well. I can sit and plan as much as I like, but until I am hands on messing with the code I really am not being very productive. Being good is more about being bad and throwing out the bad before starting again with experience, than it is about starting out good after lots of practice. (edited)

2:37 AM

The same may be true of tulpamancy, although that's up for debate

@Reguile don't forget about this here though https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_management_triangle

Project management triangle

The Project Management Triangle (called also the Triple Constraint, Iron Triangle and "Project Triangle") is a model of the constraints of project management. While its origins are unclear, it has been used since at least the 1950s. It contends that: The quality of work is ...

2:41 AM

i'm not doing nothing. i'm just used to go about it like this and gather information first. action comes after that, but it does come. what i don't need is to reinvent the wheel ;P

It instantly reminds my of fire triangle

While Reguile's advice is very good broad advice, you should also consider that, unlike programming or craftsmanship, tulpamancy is an incredibly subjective experience, reliant almost entirely on you. There is no "guide" or "rule," it's going to be a pretty unique experience for everybody.

if you want to build a tulpa, you need fuel (experience), oxygen (a suitable mindset) and heat (motivation), and fire needs time to burn, you cannot incinerate things almost instantly unless you have something like dust explosion (edited)

2:49 AM

our brain also generally does not work dust explosion, we don't suddenly learn everything

@Smeer while i do know that and totally agree. imho it helps to know about experiences and share them (and reading guides)

but dust is a good example on how traumatic tulpas are created

Of course.

2:50 AM

All I mean is that you should not be afraid to do what makes sense to you, and use that as an opportunity for learning and growth.

i'm not afraid :P but yeah, i'll do that ^^

mind that I'm not referring to "Experience of hallucination" or something unnatural, building tulpa requires discovering your subconsciousness, and fortunately we majorly have a functional brain, so it's how to put the fuel to good use

I was reading tulpa discussions for years then I found out my relative made one

3:01 AM

I confronted them via IM and they got scared I knew about the tulpa

3:03 AM

Does it run in families?

Does what run in families?

tulpas

Tulpas are not naturally occurring.

tulpas are much too new to already be passed down as family traditions or anything like that

I never wanted one but sometimes I hear thought suggestions like one

3:06 AM

Dude, the bhuddist concept is ancient

It could be that some factors that may influence your personality and increase the likelihood you want to create a tulpa might run in a family.

buddist*

3:07 AM

Like being lonely?

I think loneliness is a symptom, not something inherent in people.

I'm an only child but my relative has siblings

There are factors that lead to loneliness, like clinical depression.

Do you mean 4chan tulpas are new?

What?

Tulpas are an ancient concept

3:10 AM

But the ones that originate from the 4chan communities are different because people basically marry them

I am unfamiliar with that community.

3:10 AM

I interact almost exclusively with this community.

3:11 AM

And I do not believe many people here "marry" their tulpas.

nope, that sometimes happens but is mostly rare around here

Tulpa.info originated on 4chan

Communities change over time. Members join and leave. I am referring to this community in its current state.

Also, this seems pretty ancient: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_spouse

Spirit spouse

The spirit spouse is one of the most widespread elements of shamanism, distributed through all continents and at all cultural levels. Often, these spirit husbands/wives are seen as the primary helping spirits of the shaman, who assist them in their work, and help them gain po...

3:13 AM

There are still threads on /trash/ and /x/

I'm sure.

3:14 AM

In any case, to answer your question, "does the tendency to want to create a tulpa run in families?" Probably not specifically.

Thanks for that link man

well, Nobilis' host's family does it.

4:41 AM

The modern tulpa community is too new, correct, but the basic idea isn't.

Tulpas are not naturally occurring. ha, tell that to.. well a lot of people, including the other three tups in our system tulpas are much too new to already be passed down as family traditions or anything like that ha, tell that to Nobillis https://community.tulpa.info/user-nobillis oh someone already said that

8:10 AM

still crazy to me but supposedly it's the case, and Nobillis is like one of the oldest tulpas we know of

8:11 AM

I said this before but, I was created 3 years ago and some people think that's old but my systemmates are 8 years old and that's old to me and then Nobillis is like 44 years old lol (edited)

8:11 AM

I don't remember how old Melian is if you count her, somewhere between 34 and 40 I think

shhhhh

8:16 AM

if you say that name some really pointless and stupid arguments will inevitably follow

idk you can't really argue about Melian 'cus she's older than any of your hosts..

8:17 AM

self-proclaimed not actually a tulpa

8:18 AM

but of course not, 'cus she came way first, and mistgod never thought of her as "another conscious person in his head" so much as just, y'know, a personality/persona ... but then he talks to her and she talks back and that's just a tulpa in my books

oh I'm just talking about when she was actually here

8:27 AM

that was a "fun" few weeks

implying it wasn't like a year, unless you mean the like 2 days she was in the discord

I mean the discord

I guess I stand corrected. It could be that tulpas appear literally out of nowhere with no effort from the host, but I maintain that I doubt "tulpas appearing" runs in families.

There are means by which I imagine that sort of thing would happen. Consider that many mental illnesses run in families. If not tulpamancy due to it's intentional nature, "plurality" may very well fall within that scope. Then you could say that culture runs in families and tulpamancy/similar could be a cultural thing, and sometimes even is. Ghosts, guardian angels, and other beliefs that spur the mishearing or interpretation of idle thought/noise as the thoughts of another are common. (edited)

oh I meant it was probably a traditional thing not genetic

In regards to Melian, I don't think they were actually a tulpa and they shouldn't be listened to for advice when it comes to tulpas. Kind of silly to do so. (edited)

Who was that?

Trouble.

didn't say nothin about listening to her advice

11:38 PM

she doesn't even consider herself a tulpa so that should be obvious